911 was Actually planned and gone through with By the U.S.A Partially argued by knn at IMO
08.19.05 (10:21 pm) [edit]
First I think I should explain to you what a conspiracy theory is. It is a theory that goes against gouvernment norm, for example if i were to say that ducks fly south in the winter and the Bush gouvernment tells me that that they swinm south no matter how much proof i have that they actually fly my theory is still a conspiracy.
These are the tactics people like to use to get rid of conspiracy thepries
1.Get someone to take that blame, pay them of course. This worked for the crop circles, people say aliens did it so the gouvernment pays a guy to admit he did it *poof* no more alien talk. Could this have also worked with 911?
2.Make it fit with national pride, for the moon landing America wanted to believe they got there first and so they did. This is also applicable to 911
Now for some evidence that it was the gouvernment of U.S.A that actually used the planes, by remote controll to destroy the towers.
1. Flight 77's strange loop: It departed from its flight plan and performed a 3-sided calibrating maneuvre before it was "hijacked".
2. The alleged "hijackers": They purchased tickets, but none of their names appear on the passenger manifests. No evidence links them to 911. Seven turned up after the attacks alive and well. Others were trained and even lived and listed their addresses on US military bases.
3. The WTC steel: When examined under the microscope, metallurgists were "shocked" to find it had undergone a bizarre transformation: it was full of holes, described by the scientists as like "Swiss cheese".
4. The Collapse of the Towers: The seismic traces from NY which show unexplained massively energetic events co-incident with onset of collapse of the towers. The pools of molten steel 70 feet below street level. The unexplained collapse of WTC7.
5. Breakfast Buffet 1: Worlds second richest man, Warren Buffet, held a breakfast meeting at 8am on 911 for CEO's at Offutt Airforce Base, Nebraska.
6. Breakfast Buffet 2: Pakistans Chief Spy and alleged money-man behind 911 was meeting with Congressional Intelligence committee members when the planes hit.
7. Layers upon layers: The US Government had a drill scheduled for September 11, 2001, involving a plane crashing into a federal building..
8. Who Benefits?: Bioport, sole licensed manufacturer of Anthrax vaccine, is part owned by Bush and Bin Laden families.
9. Slip of the tongue: The FEMA spokesman who blurted out on live TV that they had arrived in NYC on the Monday evening to be ready for 911.
10. Bush's strange behaviour on 911: He kept reading with the children after he heard the news. The Secret Service did not intervene, proving they knew he was in no danger. Watch the video here.
11. The cell phone calls. Hello mother, this is Mark Bingham. The cell phone calls were staged.
12. NORAD slept in. Air-defenses over the world's most closely guarded air-space was curiously inactive on September 11, 2001. Or were they just pretending to be asleep.
13. Real X-Files: The TV series, broadcast in April 2001, whose pilot episode featured a Government plot to fake a terrorist attack by crashing a commercial airliner into the World Trade Centre by remote control. Watch the trailer here.
14. Irony in the USA: The United Nations had planned World Peace Day for September 11, 2001. This fact has gone virtually unreported. "Today’s meeting, which was planned for yesterday, 11 September, had been postponed because of the situation in the host country. At its opening, the International Day of Peace was observed, as well as a minute of silent prayer or meditation to commemorate the event."
15. Osama took the blame. A classic strategy is to make or pay someone to take the blame because this defeats many conspiracy theories.
posted by: sweetsue (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (3:15 am)
good post kupov..the government has always had cover ups throughout the years and there are many things we may never know..911 was just one of them.Conspiracy Theory..was a good movie.^-^
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (4:59 am)
Who says we do not know? from what i have presented here it should be fairly clear the U.S.A were directly responsoble, if someone can refute this i would like to hear it.
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:05 am)
Great theory. Right up there with the fact that little green men on the moon are manipulating events on earth with telepathy.
Wait a minute while I go back and read your "theory" again...
Yep, I say it's green men.
posted by: VancouverBound (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:10 am)
Yeah - if you only had a virgin birth or a talking burning bush, then your theories would make sense...
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:25 am)
Reply to: PastorDave
I do not see you refuting it or adding any input, just being sarcastic, same with you Vancouverbound i doubt either of you even read the post.
posted by: xpiratex (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:37 am)
im sry i must ask do u have a life??im not trying 2 b mean its just that ur like my age and ur focusing on all this world news or whatevr..its annoying.y dont u talk about something different like i dunno just something that ppl can relate to i guess, i mean i guess ppl like reading this stuff but uhh...yea thats my opinion,bye
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:42 am)
Reply to: Kupov
You're right, a bit sarcastic. I did read the post. Where did you go to get these ideas? I'd be interested to read them from the source.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:45 am)
Reply to: xpiratex
Whatever GF my next post will be totally wicked angelina jolie sure is hot right i think i will post about that and yeeach i love good charlotte so much.......BLEH
Don't try to change me my friend
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:46 am)
Reply to: PastorDave
Well the first part i wrote and the rest was bits and pieces i spent a long time finding online, i had allready found them, so i knew where to look sort of.
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:46 am)
Reply to: VancouverBound
Of necessity, there is an element of faith to Christianity. Same with kupov's comments. The validity of my Faith is not tied to a burning bush, but to the changed life and quality of life experience I find through my ongoing relationship with a personal God.
posted by: xpiratex (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:48 am)
omg i wasnt trying to change u!!!u fustrate me sometimes...i was just saying!!!
posted by: xpiratex (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:48 am)
u didnt have to get sarcastic
posted by: xpiratex (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:51 am)
no im not
posted by: xpiratex (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:51 am)
wtf u dont evn know me!!!
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (6:54 am)
Reply to: Kupov
If these insights truly came from your personal wrestling with the issue, then I will give them my respect. Not agreement, but respect. I think it is important to have convictions which come from the heart, being expressed with earnestness.
I'll read it again. Sorry for the sarcasm.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (7:06 am)
Reply to: xpiratex
Yes I think I do miss Good Charlotte listener and black cloths wearer, i know you so well
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.20.05 (7:06 am)
Reply to: PastorDave
Hey thanks most of them did yes however i got 12 out of those 15 things i postes on websites.
posted by: BareKnuckleBxer (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (12:47 pm)
*reads post*
....aaaaaaaahahahahahah!
*dies of laughter*
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (12:49 pm)
Reply to: BareKnuckleBxer
Once again it seems you have been tricked to believe conspiracy theories are stupid, why is that?
also care to elaborate why you find this funny?
posted by: CrimsonBlood (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (4:46 pm)
ever see Farenhite 9/11? bad ass movie...will give you a lot of information about that. good post love!
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (5:00 pm)
Reply to: CrimsonBlood
Of course, what kind of bush hater would i be if I had not?
posted by: rangi (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (5:36 pm)
lol awesum theory really makes u think and since i pretty much hate everything the up themselves american government dos i tend w agreee wit u
posted by: BareKnuckleBxer (reply)
post date: 08.21.05 (5:56 pm)
kupov, i believe that everyone in this thread is a little dumber for having read that..
posted by: VancouverBound (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (4:25 am)
Reply to: PastorDave
Prove your god exists anywhere but in your imagination, and then we'll have something to discuss. Since you claim to have a personal relationship with this being, presenting proof should be no problem.
And while you're at it, explain what makes your god different from the 4000+ gods mankind has worshipped throughout history. Why is belief in Quetzalcoatl irrational while belief in your invisible sky pixie a praiseworthy ideal?
posted by: VancouverBound (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (4:49 am)
Reply to: Kupov
No, I read the post. The trouble with conspiracy theories is not their plausibility, it's in the proof. Yet a conspiracy implies a covering-up of the truth, explaining the lack of proof but... Without evidence, the conspiracy explanation is just one of any number of possibilities.
Beyond that, I'm all for open discussion as a means for leading to answers to "what happened" and "why."
posted by: CoCoChanel (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (5:11 am)
very interesting, it made me think which is very cool. i think you have some valid points, but i dont know, im still wondering when something in MD is going to be bombed, then I will move my fat ass out of MD as fast as I can- Security when I went to San Diego was REDICULOUS! seriously, i was at dulles airport for two hours in security- then in San Diego flying home I stood in line for like 20 minutes. I dont get it, WHY THE F*Ck did this have to happen Man!? Oh well... I dont know...
posted by: AmyLeeZealot (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (9:48 am)
Oh yeah I believe what you posted is exactly right...you can't trust the gov't...this is FAR from the greatest country in the world
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (10:52 am)
Reply to: VancouverBound
"The Leap of Faith And The Limits of Reason" by Soren Kierkegaard would be a great read for someone with your challenges, your demand that everything be "provable" with the 5 senses. I wonder if you are better at angy exchange than open search for truth?
My experience of Truth, concerning Jesus Christ, comes after the "leap of faith", which I first took 32 years ago. My life was truly transformed. And, there is a Presence within (I understand it to God within, a constant fellowship of love and strength). Often when I pray, unusual thingds happen which I ascribe to the power of God. And love- as I truly seek His guidance, I am enabled to love others as I could not without His power. Etc.
All of this, and much more, is very personal. You can rationalize and explain away if you insist. I know it is real.
I dare you to explore this leap of faith.
Now, insult me, or share an intelligent exchange of ideas. Your choice.
posted by: VancouverBound (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (12:25 pm)
Reply to: PastorDave
I ask you for proof, and the best you can do is accuse me of being angry and tell me to go read someone else's book? I'm not angry at all - just completely unconvinced by your arguments. When it's convenient, you claim to have a personal relationship; when put on the spot, you claim that knowledge of your deity lies beyond the sensory realm.
Your god mustn't be all that powerful, or else it could just reveal itself to me personally and prove me wrong. That's not anger, that's just a fact. You have faith that this being exists and you cannot understand how another person could not share this faith. As much as you want others to grant your god existence, it appalls you when someone scoffs - mostly because you lack a suitable response to "that's very nice, now prove it." You can believe with every molecule in your body that your prayers are answered, but you can't prove it or else you'd be trumpeting it right now.
Don't be surprised that, outside your group of fellow believers, your claims are called into question and proof is expected.
posted by: PastorDave (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (1:38 pm)
Reply to: VancouverBound
Good and challenging response. I sense the anger from the intentionally inflamatory rhetoric, a deliberate intent to provoke and anger. I shouldn't fall for it, but I just take it personally when my God whom I love is insulted. It's akin to your insulting my wife and children. I can cerebrally debate most any subject, but my faith is so very personal. I'm working on this issue, for indeed, a non-believer has the right to call my convictions into question. Such a person even has the right to say whatever they like about my God. Of course, they don't have the right to demand that I listen or respect their words..
A few responses to your statements:
"..you claim that knowledge of your deity lies beyond the sensory realm"
Absolutely. Suggestions for His presense and purpose are all around, but they require faith for understanding. Why are you so against this concept? You will never find God strictly with your 5 senses.
"Your god mustn't be all that powerful, or else it could just reveal itself to me personally and prove me wrong."
It's a question of who is in charge and who makes the rules
"...you cannot understand how another person could not share this faith."
Not so. I understand that it goes against the very grain of self-sufficiency to accept the lordship of an unseen God, to believe without sight.
posted by: DayTripper7 (reply)
post date: 08.22.05 (4:35 pm)
Good post, Kup, I’m sorry it took me so long to get around to commenting.
…I disagree, I really see no evidence that the government has been trying to cover up an internal screw up. The most I've got is that we spend a ton of money "hunting" someone that didn't even deserve to be hunted. I highly doubt that the leaders of our country would put American's through that much of a stress just to avoid making themselves look bad, or like they didn't know what they were doing.
Don't get me wrong, in my opinion... every single person under Bush's control should be wiped out and we should start fresh with people who haven’t been dealing with him, and listening to his Republican “kill ‘em all for eventual peace” crap - for the past 4 years. But, I also think they wouldn't go through so much trouble just to cover something like that up, because common sense SHOULD tell you that something as big as a terrorist attack on America cannot be covered up. SOMEONE will open their mouth, and expose the lies for either money or power.
What exactly is your opinion on this, Kup? Do you think that the entire thing was staged? For what? Why would we create this huge pile of trouble for ourselves for absolutely no reason?
posted by: preceptlady (reply)
post date: 08.23.05 (3:35 pm)
absurd...simply absurd.. sorry kup.
posted by: LeananSidhe (reply)
post date: 08.24.05 (6:44 am)
Anything is possible. That being said, who's to say the US government is not capable of this act...they claim they are all-powerful. Maybe it's true, maybe it's not, or maybe the truth can be found somewhere in the middle. Either way, it's horrid and the people of the US and the world will probably never know for sure. Everyone anywhere is entitled to their views and I think your quite brave to post yours :) By the way, I don't totally disagree but then again, I'm not an American.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.28.05 (6:16 pm)
Reply to: kurtmaddox
Ok well the inspiration for this post was knn at in my opinion.org and this was argued there too, the response was, "the towers were never meant to collapse and only a few hundred at most were meant to die"
posted by: fallingintoYou (reply)
post date: 08.28.05 (7:43 pm)
interesting post.....hmmmm....not sure what to think about that. i've heard so much about the government.....the ties with the vice president and halliburton...watched fairenheit 9/11 to see what all of the hype was about, etc. ......i'm not going to say that it's not possible......it very well could be.......but i would like to think that it's unlikely.
posted by: CrazyBeautiful3 (reply)
post date: 08.29.05 (11:44 am)
yup, most of that is so very true. they cover up so much junk. awesome post.
posted by: DayTripper7 (reply)
post date: 08.29.05 (2:41 pm)
Look at you, Kup... still getting a steady comment flow and you're NEVER ON ANYMORE.
Lucky.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.29.05 (8:30 pm)
Reply to: DayTripper7
I was away and school is back on *sulks*
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.29.05 (8:30 pm)
Reply to: DayTripper7
Ha it is because people love to hate me :)
posted by: JasmineKeegan (reply)
post date: 08.30.05 (11:34 am)
Farenheight 9/11 was just one way of proving to some people how little they know bush and his conspiracys ,many people still believe that he is a true president ( me NOT included! ) yet they will have seen/hered of farenhieght and take not take notice of the situation! They're in denile of living in a country ran by: sick ,heartless ass holes! Why he's still president? coz he cheats and everyone knows so ,peace to all the troops and there families.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.30.05 (4:28 pm)
Reply to: JasmineKeegan
Yes he cheated on the first election against Gore and EVERYONE knew, it actually makes me angry to think about it.
posted by: Marijane24 (reply)
post date: 08.31.05 (3:33 pm)
Wow. Long post.
posted by: CherryBlossmGrl (reply)
post date: 08.31.05 (9:12 pm)
We did not land on the moon and I love conspiracy theories. Awesome post.
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 08.31.05 (10:29 pm)
Reply to: CherryBlossmGrl
Thank you
posted by: kandyfloss (reply)
post date: 09.01.05 (11:26 am)
blog!!:)
posted by: I am not Ryan (reply)
post date: 09.03.05 (10:37 pm)
oh hey can you see how gay america is
posted by: newbie (reply)
post date: 09.04.05 (6:22 am)
Just wondering... Let's pretend what you all say here is true, checks out, and makes sense... WHY?!? Why, why, why?! Why would they do it?? It doesn't make any sense!
posted by: Kupov (reply)
post date: 09.04.05 (11:49 am)
Reply to: newbie
No need to pretend and DID you read the post? there is allready an answer.
plus it was great for future political events.
posted by: The voice of reason (reply)
post date: 09.25.05 (9:23 am)
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