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First I think I should explain to you what a conspiracy theory is. It is a theory that goes against gouvernment norm, for example if i were to say that ducks fly south in the winter and the Bush gouvernment tells me that that they swinm south no matter how much proof i have that they actually fly my theory is still a conspiracy.

These are the tactics people like to use to get rid of conspiracy thepries

1.Get someone to take that blame, pay them of course. This worked for the crop circles, people say aliens did it so the gouvernment pays a guy to admit he did it *poof* no more alien talk. Could this have also worked with 911?

2.Make it fit with national pride, for the moon landing America wanted to believe they got there first and so they did. This is also applicable to 911

Now for some evidence that it was the gouvernment of U.S.A that actually used the planes, by remote controll to destroy the towers.

1. Flight 77's strange loop: It departed from its flight plan and performed a 3-sided calibrating maneuvre before it was "hijacked".

2. The alleged "hijackers": They purchased tickets, but none of their names appear on the passenger manifests. No evidence links them to 911. Seven turned up after the attacks alive and well. Others were trained and even lived and listed their addresses on US military bases.

3. The WTC steel: When examined under the microscope, metallurgists were "shocked" to find it had undergone a bizarre transformation: it was full of holes, described by the scientists as like "Swiss cheese".

4. The Collapse of the Towers: The seismic traces from NY which show unexplained massively energetic events co-incident with onset of collapse of the towers. The pools of molten steel 70 feet below street level. The unexplained collapse of WTC7.

5. Breakfast Buffet 1: Worlds second richest man, Warren Buffet, held a breakfast meeting at 8am on 911 for CEO's at Offutt Airforce Base, Nebraska.

6. Breakfast Buffet 2: Pakistans Chief Spy and alleged money-man behind 911 was meeting with Congressional Intelligence committee members when the planes hit.

7. Layers upon layers: The US Government had a drill scheduled for September 11, 2001, involving a plane crashing into a federal building..

8. Who Benefits?: Bioport, sole licensed manufacturer of Anthrax vaccine, is part owned by Bush and Bin Laden families.

9. Slip of the tongue: The FEMA spokesman who blurted out on live TV that they had arrived in NYC on the Monday evening to be ready for 911.

10. Bush's strange behaviour on 911: He kept reading with the children after he heard the news. The Secret Service did not intervene, proving they knew he was in no danger. Watch the video here.

11. The cell phone calls. Hello mother, this is Mark Bingham. The cell phone calls were staged.

12. NORAD slept in. Air-defenses over the world's most closely guarded air-space was curiously inactive on September 11, 2001. Or were they just pretending to be asleep.

13. Real X-Files: The TV series, broadcast in April 2001, whose pilot episode featured a Government plot to fake a terrorist attack by crashing a commercial airliner into the World Trade Centre by remote control. Watch the trailer here.

14. Irony in the USA: The United Nations had planned World Peace Day for September 11, 2001. This fact has gone virtually unreported. "Today’s meeting, which was planned for yesterday, 11 September, had been postponed because of the situation in the host country. At its opening, the International Day of Peace was observed, as well as a minute of silent prayer or meditation to commemorate the event."

15. Osama took the blame. A classic strategy is to make or pay someone to take the blame because this defeats many conspiracy theories.

or at least according to todays standerds or morality, now i realise most of thses are old testament but that does not really matter my question to you is why would a perfect God all of sudden change to fit modern day standerds in morality?

Here are some Bible quotes i hope you ate least find disturbing.

Kill Followers of Other Religions



"If your own full brother, or your son or daughter, or your beloved wife, or you intimate friend, entices you secretly to serve other gods, whom you and your fathers have not known, gods of any other nations, near at hand or far away, from one end of the earth to the other: do not yield to him or listen to him, nor look with pity upon him, to spare or shield him, but kill him. Your hand shall be the first raised to slay him; the rest of the people shall join in with you. You shall stone him to death, because he sought to lead you astray from the Lord, your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, that place of slavery. And all Israel, hearing of this, shall fear and never do such evil as this in your midst." (Deuteronomy 13:7-12 NAB)


Jesus Falsely Predicts the End of the World



"And there will be strange events in the skies – signs in the sun, moon, and stars. And down here on earth the nations will be in turmoil, perplexed by the roaring seas and strange tides. The courage of many people will falter because of the fearful fate they see coming upon the earth, because the stability of the very heavens will be broken up. Then everyone will see the Son of Man arrive on the clouds with power and great glory. So when all these things begin to happen, stand straight and look up, for your salvation is near!"

"Then he gave them this illustration: "Notice the fig tree, or any other tree. When the leaves come out, you know without being told that summer is near. Just so, when you see the events I've described taking place, you can be sure that the Kingdom of God is near. I assure you, this generation will not pass from the scene until all these events have taken place. Heaven and earth will disappear, but my words will remain forever" (Luke 21:25-33 NLT)


Child Beating


"He who spares the rod hates his son, but he who loves him takes care to chastise him" (Proverbs 13:24 NAB)

"Chastise your son, for in this there is hope, but do not desire his death. The man of violent temper pays the penalty; even if you rescue him, you will have to do it again." (Proverbs 19:18-19 NAB)


More Baby Killing



"The glory of Israel will fly away like a bird, for your children will die at birth or perish in the womb or never even be conceived. Even if your children do survive to grow up, I will take them from you. It will be a terrible day when I turn away and leave you alone. I have watched Israel become as beautiful and pleasant as Tyre. But now Israel will bring out her children to be slaughtered." O LORD, what should I request for your people? I will ask for wombs that don't give birth and breasts that give no milk. The LORD says, "All their wickedness began at Gilgal; there I began to hate them. I will drive them from my land because of their evil actions. I will love them no more because all their leaders are rebels. The people of Israel are stricken. Their roots are dried up; they will bear no more fruit. And if they give birth, I will slaughter their beloved children." (Hosea 9:11-16 NLT)

Now Dilerious has pointed out to me during our arguments that he has a degree in Religion and that he is more learned then me, all that can possible mean when dealing with Christianity is that he undertsand the Bible more.

Think of this I could have a phd in pinkioelephantology and you CAN bring any any argument (outside of your six sences) down by simply saying "your knowledge means nothing to me I do not believe in pinkioelephants"

This is the same thing with Christianity if you KNOW Jesus is you're saviour and messiah and other people DON'T know that is not because of ignorance on their part it is a lack of belief, this lack of belief may come from all the Bibles contradictions and faults, some people are unwilling to believe in the Bible because they are unwilling to believe any book of religion that was written so long ago.

Christians i am perfectly sure Christianity seems very logical to you but you're arguments must change and you must argue from a different point of view, simply telling us we will learn when we die convinces noone and i say it again.

You do not know in fact you have no idea and that is a fact if you think you know you must learn that it is simply pseudo knowledge.

Isahiah13:17-20

BEHOLD, I WILL STIR UP THE MEDES AGAINST THEM, WHICH SHALL NOT REGARD SILVER; AND AS FOR GOLD, THEY SHALL NOT DELIGHT IN IT. THEIR BOWS ALSO SHALL DASH THE YOUNG MEN TO PIECES; AND THEY SHALL HAVE NO PITY ON THE FRUIT OF THE WOMB; THEIR EYE SHALL NOT SPARE CHILDREN. AND BABYLON, THE GLORY OF KINGDOMS, THE BEAUTY OF THE CHALDEES' EXCELLENCY, SHALL BE AS WHEN GOD OVERTHREW SODOM AND GOMORRAH. IT SHALL NEVER BE INHABITED, NEITHER SHALL IT BE DWELT IN FROM GENERATION TO GENERATION: NEITHER SHALL THE ARABIAN PITCH TENT THERE; NEITHER SHALL THE SHEPHERDS MAKE THEIR FOLD THERE.

This is a propecy in the Bible that has never happened and never will happen, because medes was destroyed by the persians before they could conquer babylon and babylon remained a thriving city untill at least 323 B.C

Isahiah17:1:

THE BURDEN OF DAMASCUS. BEHOLD, DAMASCUS IS TAKEN AWAY FROM BEING A CITY, AND IT SHALL BE A RUINOUS HEAP.

Damascus was not destroyed and in fact exists today

Isahiah19:-5

AND THE EGYPTIANS WILL I GIVE OVER INTO THE HAND OF A CRUEL LORD; AND A FIERCE KING SHALL RULE OVER THEM, SAITH THE LORD, THE LORD OF HOSTS. AND THE WATERS SHALL FAIL FROM THE SEA, AND THE RIVER SHALL BE WASTED AND DRIED UP.

Never has the Nile river dried up.


Now what about this the bible says no man can serve two masters. So how does it explain this?

II Samuel 24:1
AND AGAIN THE ANGER OF THE LORD WAS KINDLED AGAINST ISRAEL, AND HE MOVED DAVID AGAINST THEM TO SAY, GO, NUMBER ISRAEL AND JUDAH.

I Chronicles 21:1
And Satan stood up against Israel, and provoked David to number Israel.

Does this make sense to anyone?

Cloning is the process of creating a genetic replica of an organism. The clone WILL NOT be an exact replica of the original organism, because the behaviour of an organism is largely governed by environmental factors, and the physique is also affected to a large extent. Unless a clone receives exactly the same stimuli, in EVERY single area the original person receives during its lifetime is the same, you will not get an exact copy replica.

Clones in Nature known as twins or triplets become more like exact copies becasue they recieve much of the same stimuli.

It is unknown whether the major factor which decides the characteristics of a clone is the environment and stimuli or the genes. But it is definite that they both play significant roles.

This also relates to will Clones be abused,used as cheap labour used as soldiers used as organs used to expiriment because they may not be regarded as real humans.